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Hi,

I recently wrote a compiler for a Template Engine myself and went through the same process you did. I however decided to use JavaCC after a while mainly because I didn't want to have an antlr.jar in my classpath, cause unfortunatly antlr requires it at runtime. The grammar syntax is almost the same, JavaCC just needs better docs.

There might be a way arround the runtime dependency but I didn't look any further into that, JavaCC is also more "java-like" if you ask me, and JJTree makes a nice extension too.

you might want to also consider SableCC.

+1 SableCC.

I write all grammars that I need (which are quite a few) with ANTLR, and I'm quite satisfied with it. The grammar syntax is closer to EBNF than JavaCC, the mailing list is quite helpful, and I can write a single grammar for multiple target languages. It's also reasonably fast, and Ter is actively working on it - in fact Antlr 3 will probably become the best parser generator ever from what I know of the planned features. Also I don't mind the runtime dependency (I can include all necessary classes in my own project as Antlr is Public Domain).

i too like antlr, and dislike the runtime dependency.
how come they have no antlr-client.jar? this seems to be the obvious way to do it.

sincerely
morten wilken

Robert Watkins (scroll down to the very bottom of his website) :)

Cedric, you are right on the money. I've just gone through the same process you have.

JavaCC is a great tool with terrible docs. Sun ought to do better. I'm guessing they took over management of JavaCC as a "favor" to the community and have no one working on it hoping that somebody from outside the company will help out.

You guys use antlr for your JMS selectors don't you?

fdeitau yoowiwcara.

I agree with cedric' views in the top., whats ironic is inspite of using javacc for over a month now & I still struggle for docs & finding out simple tweaks in the Tool.

I am doing my final year project on refactoring and I've looked at both JavaCC and ANTLR. I have no knowledge of programs like Lisp or Yacc (where most documentation assumes some knowledge of these), and I dont have the time to spend learning any program fully as well as writing a grammar. ANTLR is easy to pick up and has much better documentation than JavaCC, much better for us students

btw, that post was going to be much more complete, but the system used to post here is ... well not perfect, it was telling me i had questionable content... and eventually figured out after removing most of my msg that it didnt like my uni email address

I ever had used both javaCC and Antlr. I like javaCC, it is pure java style, and the lexer of antlr is not based on DFA but LL, so it is more easy to write lexer description in javaCC.

I ever had used both javaCC and Antlr. I like javaCC, it is pure java style, and the lexer of antlr is not based on DFA but LL, so it is more easy to write lexer description in javaCC.

If you want an introduction for javaCC, you might want to have a look at:
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-1996/jw-12-jack.html

It's about jack, the former name of javaCC. The Syntax has slightly changed so the examples won't compile in javaCC without minor adjustments, but nevertheless it helped me getting started with JavaCC.

I have been using javacc, and while the documentation needs significant improvement, I find that the jjtree extension makes walking the parse tree quite easy. Does antlr have a similar parse tree generator? Has anyone any thoughts on how tools like antlr and javacc stack up against JFlex and CUPs?

2 Immo

I have had some good expirience with javaCC, and now I'm having quite bad expirience with antlr. And the problem is exactly in walking trees: antlr does not provide an inreface to the parent of the AST node, while javaCC does. And for my application this is a crucial point. The only reason why I turned to antlr is that it generetes C++ code. If javaCC could produce c++ code I would not have bouthored with antlr.

BTW, in my opinion, antlr docs are even less clear and understandable then javaCC docs.

2 Immo

I have had some good expirience with javaCC, and now I'm having quite bad expirience with antlr. And the problem is exactly in walking trees: antlr does not provide an inreface to the parent of the AST node, while javaCC does. And for my application this is a crucial point. The only reason why I turned to antlr is that it generetes C++ code. If javaCC could produce c++ code I would not have bouthored with antlr.

BTW, in my opinion, antlr docs are even less clear and understandable then javaCC docs.

ANTLR documentation is definitely more helpful than JavaCC, it is extremely easy to understand as a student with sufficient examples :)
cheers to Terr

Same for me. Used Javacc for a while then needed antlr because it generates c# code.
I really prefer the JavaCC lexer.

I have been using both JavaCC and ANTLR for some time now. ANTLR is much easier to pick up and supports many languages. Once you mastered JavaCC and you are only dealing with Java, JavaCC is much better choice than ANTLR. Recently, I needed to create a parser to support TSQL, PLSQL and ISQLPLUS scripts, I could not do it in ANTLR without messy twist. I turned to JavaCC in the end. JavaCC's Lexer is much more powerful than ANTLR's.